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Keith Martin's avatar

Excellent conversation between these men re: developing forward thinking about men's issues and how they impact which path societies will take into the future -- as well as Shah presenting an overview of news clippings from the 17th through 20th century detailing how a once-staple marital prescription -- the dowry -- was gradually diminished and then almost entirely eliminated.

The Gold Pill is a heartening development within what is oft-referred to as the red-pilled Manosphere.

The challenge will certainly be establishing and maintaining sustainable levels of optimism among enlightened men who, currently, often remain thoroughly disheartened about relationships with women. The trick may be learning to remind ourselves when we hear in our own voices resignation about certain obstacles being insurmountable that, actually, our declarations have more power than we give them credit for, both in propelling us toward success but also in unnecessarily stopping us in our tracks when we too strongly convince ourselves that certain things are impossible -- especially given that the evidence is that men have quite frequently historically turned impossibility into possibility.

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Kenneth Griffith's avatar

The bible discusses both the bride price (paid to the father or brothers of the bride by the groom's family) and the dowry (property of the bride). A bride without a dowry was a concubine (Exodus 21:7-11).

In the economy of the family, the bride price compensates the father for the resources invested in his daughter that are not expected to be repaid by her in the father's old age.

In human culture, some societies have kept the bride price, which is still common in Africa, and other societies in the Far East have kept the dowry, without the bride price.

Far Eastern cultures that are expected to pay a dowry to marry off their daughters without a bride price to compensate the father have trended toward the practice of female infanticide.

It is important that both bride price and dowry be practiced together; otherwise, it leads to imbalances that create pressures for female infanticide and prostitution.

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