Paul, I think you said it best and summed it up by saying “there are no victims, only volunteers”.
If men put up with disrespect, they are not going to have that relationship very long. And since so many men allow it, we have the disastrous divorce rate. Among other things like a totally corrupt Anti-family court. Just like our rouge government,
It has often suprised me to see the extent to which a man will be disrespected by his own wife if he tolerates it. My best explanation for this is that she actually WANTS to be corrected.
Otherwise, why would you treat the man you chose to spend your whole life with like that?
One issue is the extent to which disrespect is normalized in our society, I have also seen men of God be put down heavily by their wives in their own home while I was visiting them.
So much so that I felt the need to correct their wives, which I didn't do ofcourse.
The issue is there are millions of prophets of romance, and a lot less prophets of truth.
Paul, I think your tops and I agree with most everything you say and have said here. However, I'm perplexed by one thing that I hope I am misinterpreting. The notion that it's controlling for a MAN to not want his wife wearing revealing clothing. I know you have said that "wo-MEN have hijacked MEN'S sexual emotions long before pornography" And I also noticed your complements to Steve Brule on his wonderful article about 'The abuse of constant titillation' I am of the opinion that a wife who wants to wear half naked clothing is everything we've discussed about disrespect. And a husband who would tolerate it is everything we've discussed about failing as a MAN/head/ And I get that we shouldn't need to breathe down her neck. BUT there should be an understanding that she is to dress modest, and he should reject her if she doesn't. This is part of MEN being leaders and is necessary to clean up society. Teaching wo-MEN to cover. ..................(I hope we can still like each other to spite our different nuances)
Great point, Joseph. I wasn't clear enough and I'll address it in the final segment. What I should have added to that part is that I chose someone who didn't need to be told to not dress like a whore. I assumed that was implied for all listeners, but should have been more plainspoken about it. Thanks!
THANK YOU SO MUCH! I GET YOU! If you're in a relationship in the 1rst place, it's a given she's the closest thing to a unicorn and you don't need to breathe down her neck because it's two mature adults who are worthy of each other and who have the same sensibilities.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CLARIFYING I FEEL VERY RELIEVED!
What if standing up for yourself in all cases and to the fullest extent results in divorce and your children won't have a dad around and are getting raised by the woman?
Wouldn't God expect the man to endure what is described in Proverbs, thereby self-sacrifice himself for the children?
Paul, I think you said it best and summed it up by saying “there are no victims, only volunteers”.
If men put up with disrespect, they are not going to have that relationship very long. And since so many men allow it, we have the disastrous divorce rate. Among other things like a totally corrupt Anti-family court. Just like our rouge government,
You get what you tolerate.
Indeed!
Proverbs 5:3:4.
For the lips of a strange women drop as an honeycomb, and her mouth is smoother than oil.
But her end is bitter as Wormwood, sharp as a two edged sword.
Man this flies in the face of feminism. Finding a female in todays society with this mindset is like looking for a needle in a haystack.
Great points again Paul,
It has often suprised me to see the extent to which a man will be disrespected by his own wife if he tolerates it. My best explanation for this is that she actually WANTS to be corrected.
Otherwise, why would you treat the man you chose to spend your whole life with like that?
One issue is the extent to which disrespect is normalized in our society, I have also seen men of God be put down heavily by their wives in their own home while I was visiting them.
So much so that I felt the need to correct their wives, which I didn't do ofcourse.
The issue is there are millions of prophets of romance, and a lot less prophets of truth.
Thank you for your work.
Paul, I think your tops and I agree with most everything you say and have said here. However, I'm perplexed by one thing that I hope I am misinterpreting. The notion that it's controlling for a MAN to not want his wife wearing revealing clothing. I know you have said that "wo-MEN have hijacked MEN'S sexual emotions long before pornography" And I also noticed your complements to Steve Brule on his wonderful article about 'The abuse of constant titillation' I am of the opinion that a wife who wants to wear half naked clothing is everything we've discussed about disrespect. And a husband who would tolerate it is everything we've discussed about failing as a MAN/head/ And I get that we shouldn't need to breathe down her neck. BUT there should be an understanding that she is to dress modest, and he should reject her if she doesn't. This is part of MEN being leaders and is necessary to clean up society. Teaching wo-MEN to cover. ..................(I hope we can still like each other to spite our different nuances)
Great point, Joseph. I wasn't clear enough and I'll address it in the final segment. What I should have added to that part is that I chose someone who didn't need to be told to not dress like a whore. I assumed that was implied for all listeners, but should have been more plainspoken about it. Thanks!
THANK YOU SO MUCH! I GET YOU! If you're in a relationship in the 1rst place, it's a given she's the closest thing to a unicorn and you don't need to breathe down her neck because it's two mature adults who are worthy of each other and who have the same sensibilities.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CLARIFYING I FEEL VERY RELIEVED!
What if standing up for yourself in all cases and to the fullest extent results in divorce and your children won't have a dad around and are getting raised by the woman?
Wouldn't God expect the man to endure what is described in Proverbs, thereby self-sacrifice himself for the children?
Excellent question. I'll deal with that in the final post. Thanks!
More excellence, Paul! One of your best.
Thanks, Kirb!